Our Children Are The Guarantors

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Saturday, June 23, 2007

A Question of Trust

To all those armchair statesmen calling for dragging Israel to negotations table:

Collage: Muslim reactions to slight things, such as the Danish Cartoons; maps of the peace treaties accepted by Israel, and the Muslim reactions to them; caption: "They cannot be trusted to restrain themselves over a few words or drawings, so what makes you think they can be trusted to keep land-for-peace deals?!"
Non-Muslim actions and the immediate Muslim reactions. Click image to view full size.

Yes, I know the replies: “It’s not about religion, it’s about land, it’s a nationalistic dispute between two equal claimants” (that’s why we find this pattern of “resistance” all over the world), “The people on both sides want peace, it’s just their leaders who push for belligerence” (paging Daniel Goldhagen… and see also Ben Shapiro’s recent column, hat tip to Steven Plaut), “Tiny minority of extremists” (yeah, that’s why Osama Bin Laden has never been excommunicated, while a Friday mosque sermon is enough to drive thousands upon thousands into a frenzy). Please, get your heads out of the sand and look at reality: Islamic fascistic imperialism is the elephant in the room, and it can’t be persuaded to stop its stampede by any gifts of appeasement. Fighting back is the only way.

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12 Comments:

Blogger BabbaZee said...

For every idiot reading who thinks land or concessions will get us peace I ask you to make observation of how the jihad /intifada AMPS UP with every concession, not the other way around - dig 1993 to today for a minute, close your eyes, see the progression, connect it to Israeli PEACE making attempts at the behest of AMERICA.

Did we get any peace? WE GOT WAR.

there is a reason for this and DORE GOLD speaks about it in THE battle for Jerusalem he also touches on it in the last video from this post at my place http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/2007/06/i-put-before-you-life-and-death.html

It is part of the doctrine of Islam that every piece of Israel gained amps up the jihad, and if they should gain any bit of Jerusalem this is supposedly their big cosmic signal to go absolutely ape shit and spread the caliphate over the globe.

SO WE ARE CONCEDING TO WAR HERE

CONSENSUALLY

IDIOTS, US!

But are our leaders COMPLICIOTS?

June 24, 2007 12:14 AM  
Blogger ZionistYoungster said...

The view, once relatively commonly held, of the Israel/"Palestine" conflict as an Islamic jihad, is now unpopular, even by many right-thinking politicians. But it's the only view that makes sense, because it's the only explanation for the insane anger of the other side at the settling of a few Jews on a tiny plot of land that was (in 1880, until the influx of Arab immigrants in the beginning of the 20th century) a nearly desolate land. Nationalistically, it makes no sense; when seen through the Islamic doctrine that a land once under Islamic rule must never fall into non-Islamic rule, it becomes crystal-clear.

And on Jerusalem, it should be noted that there were only two times in history in which the Muslim ever cared about it: during the period of the Crusades, and now. In other words: only when it fell out of Islamic rule. In all other periods, Jerusalem languished through neglect under their hands. Their claim to G-d's Holy City, therefore, is the claim of a dog to the king's throne.

June 24, 2007 12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ZY,
You are right. Viewed in geographic perspective, blaming the Jews for setting up a state on a tiny bit of land as a causus belli is a little like blaming the duchy of Luxembourg for World War II.

But fighting is not the only practical way to deal with this. When, oh when is some smart young entrepreneur going to link with some smart scientist and come up with a viable alternative to fossil fuel? When the world no longer needs what the Arab states have to sell, the rest of the world will lose interest. Protestations notwithstanding, nobody really cares about the Arabs, any more than the most Arabs care about Palestinians. They just don't want their oil supply cut off. Minus the oil, no one would consider them worth all that trouble.

June 25, 2007 1:37 AM  
Blogger ZionistYoungster said...

Anon,

"He who controls the spice controls the universe." And in Dune too, all the power structures are liable to collapse like a house of cards as soon as an alternative to the Arrakis-bound spice melange is found. Even interstellar travel is dependent upon the spice.

I probably said it a thousand times, but I just have to say it again: Frank Herbert was a genius. His ability to adhere to historical idealism while not ignoring the material fuels of the ideology-driven was something altogether rare, both in his time and today.

June 25, 2007 6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

by the way, anti-zionism is not anti-semitism, as the zionists were complicit in funding Hitler, and seek to destroy the judaic religion for a masonic one.
In our religion, we are in exile, so Israel's existance and the bloodshed we are causing is a defiance to God, and so anyone supporting israel and the bloodshed will go to hell.
Sheol is not even a heavy punishment for our genocide.
In anycase, you know it's not a jewish question, but a zionist one, as zionism is a masonic front. I don't worship lucifer, so i won't support zionism, and well saying that anti-zionism is anti-semitism, is like saying anti-nazism is being anti-German--- certainly not, and any person with half a brain can see through this.
If we steal and murder people out of their land, what do we expect, peace and compliance for them ? Israel fights back, and it's not even their land or duty, so go figure.
I am Jewish, as I believe in my faith, and where I live is the house I got a mortgage for and pay for by working hard and not stealing off others with religious excuses which are not even religious excuses as our teachings say we are in exile. Besides, i live in canada, much more peaceful.

I tell people like you to make peave, and get on with your lives, get a life, and stop supporting murderers and continuing to rob poor people.
Anyway since us Jews are in exile, i suggets giving Israel over to Italy, as the Roamn empire once had control, as if it's all about the past, then surely the Italian government could do like the Jews and come along and decide to turn israel and palestine into a Roman state, and repopulate it with Italians....now acording to what israel did, italy would also be in their right !? Also they could take over the whole of Europe and the Uk as it was once theirs a few thousand years ago...? same reasoning as the Jews and Israel ? wars and time, and history causes lands to shift ownerhip, but we can't go about claiming stuff which was ours thousands of years ago, or the whole world would be at war again !

regards

Hezi Green

June 26, 2007 1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would only like to point out to Hezi Green, that he lives on land stolen from Native Americans, if he lives in Canada, no matter that he has a mortgage. Where exactly does he plan to go to avoid living on stolen land?

June 26, 2007 5:15 PM  
Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

hiya ZY!..and our Pres has re legitimized Izlam today!...pathetic!!!!!!!!!!

June 28, 2007 2:47 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

ZY:
I think you're right about Frank Herbert; the Dune books were brilliant.

I think that the world's current conflict with Jihadist Islam can best be summed up by a line from Tolkien, however:
There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it. But you do not stand alone. You will learnt that your trouble is but part of the trouble of all the western world.

June 28, 2007 12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael,
Your quote sums up the situation beautifully.
We are all in this together, whether we want it or not. The danger we face is not going to leave us alone. How fitting that the movie "The Fellowship of the Ring" was released virtually on the eve of September 11, so that we would know how to understand that horrific event.

June 28, 2007 1:19 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

Anon:
The shoe fits, but that Tolkien swore to the end of his days that he had not written a parable.

Actually, I believe him. The books are great, and stand well on their own as fantasy-fiction.

The line is from the book The Fellowship of the Ring, the chapter "The Council of Elrond;" it was Elrond's advice to the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain when they told him about the emissary Sauron sent to them.

As it is, it fits perfectly; Israel, the US, Europe, India, Thailand, Serbia & Ethiopia are all fighting the same war, but not in concert.

June 28, 2007 10:29 PM  
Blogger ZionistYoungster said...

Hiya Hezi,

You say: "by the way, anti-zionism is not anti-semitism, [...]"

Anti-Zionism is the form of Jew-hatred (a.k.a. anti-Semitism) today. All the past words (and actions) of hate directed against Jews are now carried out in their reformulation as anti-Zionism or just "criticism of Israel's policies", with total acceptability. "The Jews are pushing the USA to war against Germany for their own interests"--acceptable once, no longer acceptable today; "The Zionists are pushing the USA to war against Iran for Israel's interests"--acceptable today. As the Yiddish saying goes: der zelbe dreck mit an andre dekoratzye.

You say: "as the zionists were complicit in funding Hitler, and seek to destroy the judaic religion for a masonic one."

Ah, straight out of Rense and his ilk. You know you have business with a conspiracy theorist when the person mentions the Freemasons. But I will not disturb you from exposing global plots hatched in the dark while you keep ignoring the worldwide threat of Islam that can be seen in plain sight.

You say: "In our religion, we are in exile, so Israel's existance and the bloodshed we are causing is a defiance to God, and so anyone supporting israel and the bloodshed will go to hell."

The Naturei Karta line, that's a new one for comments on this blog.

I think Steven Plaut's (HaShem bless him) response is the best so far: it's acceptable for a believing Jew to dispute the kosher status of Zionism, but it isn't acceptable for a Jew to support those who wish to express their opposition to Zionism by murdering all the Jews in Israel (G-d forbid).

In other words, you might consider withdrawing your arms and lips from those of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He will go to hell (and may it happen soon, amen), as will anyone who supports him in his plans.

You say: "and well saying that anti-zionism is anti-semitism, is like saying anti-nazism is being anti-German--certainly not, and any person with half a brain can see through this."

The "Zionism = Nazism" equation again, carrying with it the prospect of easing one's conscience over murdered Israeli Jews (G-d forbid)--they are, after all, agents of a Nazi state. And people dare to say anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism!

Nazism wasn't just German nationalism--it was German nationalistic imperialism. Zionism is Jewish nationalism and nothing more--we want the Land of Israel and no other part of the world. If you're looking for today's world-threatening imperialism, albeit not based on nationality, Islam is what you're looking for. "Islam = Nazism" is the correct equation.

You say: "If we steal and murder people out of their land, what do we expect, peace and compliance for them?"

If we take our own land and kill those who prevent us from doing that, the result is the same.

You say: "Israel fights back, and it's not even their land or duty, so go figure." You also say: "I am Jewish, as I believe in my faith, and where I live is the house I got a mortgage for and pay for by working hard and not stealing off others with religious excuses which are not even religious excuses as our teachings say we are in exile. Besides, i live in canada, much more peaceful.

Those two passages contradict. You cannot be Jewish and believe the Land of Israel isn't yours. The entire Jewish canon, from the Written Torah to the latest commentaries, is soaked with the message that the Land of Israel is the land G-d has given us. The question as to whether the exile has ended is not pertinent to the debate; even the Naturei Karta traitors do not dispute that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews. To believe that we do not rightly possess the Land of Israel is to fall outside the pale of Judaism.

Canada will only be so peaceful as the number of the Muslims in it is small. As soon as they reach a critical mass, you get the Israel situation in your neck of the woods, no matter how safe you thought you were.

You say: "I tell people like you to make peave, [sic] [...]"

How about telling the other side (the "Palestinians") to make peace? Why are only we the ones who have to take the initiative? It takes two to tango, y'know. There could have been peace in 1947, and later in 2000; both times, the "Palestinians" turned down the offer to share the land with us, although we really have never been under any obligation to share our land with anyone else.

You say: "[...] and get on with your lives, get a life, [...]"

We have, to the extent possible. The other side, in contrast, seems to value making Kassam rockets over building a working sewage infrastructure (they've taken down sewage pipes for parts for the Kassams) and genocidal education for their children over any chance of progress.

You say: "[...] and stop supporting murderers [...]"

Good idea, I look forward to you doing that--stopping your support for the Muslims.

You say: "i suggets [sic] giving Israel over to Italy, as the Roamn [sic] empire once had control, as if it's all about the past, then surely the Italian government could do like the Jews and come along and decide to turn israel and palestine into a Roman state, and repopulate it with Italians....now acording to what israel did, italy would also be in their right !? Also they could take over the whole of Europe and the Uk as it was once theirs a few thousand years ago...? same reasoning as the Jews and Israel ?"

The fault here isn't with the logic, but simply with the fact that the Romans no longer exist--the Italians aren't the same as the Romans, neither in language nor in culture nor in religion. The Jews still exist and are the same people after 2,000 years, thanks be to G-d! The Italians no longer believe in the gods whom the Romans looked up to for their imperial expansion; we Jews, in contrast, believe in HaShem and in His promise, now as before.

You say: "wars and time, and history causes lands to shift ownerhip [sic], but we can't go about claiming stuff which was ours thousands of years ago, or the whole world would be at war again !"

The famous line of Jewish quisling (like you, assuming you're really a Jew) Erich Fromm: "If all nations would suddenly claim territory in which their forefathers had lived 2,000 years ago, this world would be a madhouse." I already refuted it: no, this world would not be a madhouse, for the simple reason that there is almost no nation surviving from 2,000 years ago. Anyhow, the Jewish claim to the Land of Israel does not rest upon previous inhabitation (unlike, for example, the Islamic claim to Spain), but upon G-d's timeless dictum that He has given us this land, no matter how many owners it ever had. When Joshua (peace be upon him) took the Land of Israel for the first time over 3,000 years ago, it was inhabited by other nations, and we hadn't yet had any history on it (except for the Three Patriarchs). By the indisputable and unequivocal verdict of today's "international law", taking the land in such a state is outright theft. No matter: Joshua took the land, and under G-d's orders expelled the whole baby-sacrificing indigenous population from it. Just as should be done today to the baby-sacrificing "Palestinians". (Parashat Mas'ei, coming in a few weeks, has a whole passage about that.)

And the world is heading for being at war again, not because of claims from 2,000 years ago, but because of a belief from 1,400 years ago that members of a certain religion are entitled to take the whole world for their possession from everyone else. It's called Islam. Stop picking on Israel. Israel is good. All who stand against Israel are, whether intentionally or not, supporters of evil.

Thanks for your comment, and for reminding me who it is I pray about in Birkat HaMinim three times a day. May HaShem convert you to the good side.

June 29, 2007 2:06 PM  
Blogger ZionistYoungster said...

Hi all,

Sorry for the delay. My most recent post makes clear why.

Thanks for the comments. Shabbat Shalom!

June 29, 2007 2:06 PM  

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